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What do you Expect to Lose or Gain from Healthcare Reform?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:02 PM EDT
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By PalmettoArmadillo
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Now that it looks like Congress is willing to resort to anything to pass healthcare reform I have a question to all those who have supported this measure right from the start.

What is it that you presonally expect to gain from healthcare reform? Forget the talking points and the television ads. What is it going to do for you in your unique and individual situation?

For those of you who have the perception that healthcare reform is a bad thing. In what negative way do you see healthcare reform affecting you personally? What is it going to do to you in your unique and individual situation?

Please do not go on about the 30 million unless you happen to be one of them. Please do not go off on the cost unless you are one of those who will be paying the price. I simply want to know what your personal stake in the bill is.

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I do not expect it to do anything positive for my situation. I expect it to be an additional tax burden upon my family. In addition I think that my healthcare premiums will rise even further than they would have before because of the restrictions placed upon insurers.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
Voltaire-1011715

I expect to gain everything

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:30 PM EDT
PalmettoArmadillo

Like what exactly? Do you currently have insurance? Are your premiums within your budget? Do you expect your out of pocket expenses to be decreased?

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:38 PM EDT
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daxy1979

I hope to actually get health care I can afford. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen. I work full time as does my husband but unfortunately neither of our employers offer insurance. We can't afford to pay the entire premiums on our own so we don't have any. Honestly though, I'm really doubtful that this reform will help but I'd like to think so. I guess I'll find out soon.

Oh and to be honest.. I haven't read the bill... so I'm neither for nor against it.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:38 AM EDT
PalmettoArmadillo

I had occasion to be on unemployment for two months due to a lay-off less than a year ago. I was drawing the maximum allowable from the state. To my surprise and dismay, I did not qualify for medical assistance from the state or federal. Go figure, those who care so much about whether I have affordable healthcare were the ones denying me benefits. Not some cold-hearted insurance company. If you happen to find yourself too poor to afford to buy insurance and yet not poor enough to get assistance then you are just screwed. Perhaps this bill will address this situation. I do not know. There are a lot of details that have to be worked out between now and the time that it actually comes online. My situation should not be that unique. The more jobs that are lost the more there will be people in that situation. If the bill fails to provide a safety net for people in that situation the I would "deem" it a miserable failure.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:34 AM EDT
daxy1979

That's pretty much the category we fit in.. we make too much for medical assistance.. but not enough to afford it on our own. Especially dental.. and that's the one I'm in desperate need of right now.

  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
PalmettoArmadillo

Dental, even with insurance is ridiculously expensive. I just had a wisdom tooth removed this week. $800 (w/sedation) for ten minutes worth of work. Teeth are a gold mine, literally and figuratively. For the dentist!

So even with insurance, that might cover the deductible. In other words, I will still pay the entire bill out of pocket. Which is great if I want get all the work I can done this year. It doesn't pay to have a little bit of work done every year. Which has always been a beef of mine with the insurance system.

The deductible is always a deterrent factor to getting work done. Insurance seems to feed on deterring you from using it. The only way insurance wins is if you pay for service you do not use. If you use it they lose. So they throw those little deterrent factors in there to discourage you from using it unless you really need it. Which is a poor way of maintaining health.

Seems to me the best system for healthcare would be the one that goes to the extreme to encourage you to seek care early. Everyone in the healthcare industry would agree that early detection of maladies is the key to surviving them and lowering the cost of treating them. Seems like the whole system is going in reverse. I haven't seen anything in the healthcare bill that would reverse that trend. Having insurance alone is not the answer. I have had insurance all of my life practically. Still I put things off because giving a doctor or dentist $1000 is not exactly in my budget for the week. In a paycheck-to-paycheck world, I never will be able to work that in.

I did work for a time for a company that was self insured. They gave you a credit to spend on insurance that was part of the benefits package. It paid 100%, I was responsible for a $20 co-pay for any service. They encouraged you to go see a doctor if you needed one. They wanted a health workforce. It was in their best interest. Logical and rational. Sustainability was the problem. As costs rose, so to did the cost to the employee. It didn't take but a handful of people with cancer to severely effect the entire system. It started out very noble and good. Reality soon sets in.

While I try to take care of my own health, my own cost is effected by the worst cases of society. Because I am playing in this lottery pool of insurance, I receive no economic benefit from trying to live a health lifestyle. My expense will always be tied to the worst cases in the pool. I see this as the motivation behind insurance companies trying to find ways of denying benefits to those severely effected. It effects the whole pool adversely. That's bad for business, and its bad for the members of that pool. The whole insurance system of healthcare is flawed because it gambles with your health instead of promoting health. Its not a matter of if you will need but when you will need it. Some are born in need and some need little until they are almost consumed with age.

Flexible spending accounts are nice with the exception of the "use it or lose it" clause. Why should you ever lose it? Why not a lifetime flexible spending account for an entire family. One that could be used to pay for any type of medical, dental or vision expenses from your own account. Imagine a responsible society with little need for medicare or medicaid. Only a fund for those whose accounts were devastated. Fair, equitable, and compassionate. I would fully support such a system because it allows me to care for my own. My costs are my costs and unaffected by the worst cases of society. The only problem in the pool would be my problems. It could be safely invested so as to draw interest much as a 401K does currently. It could be left to your heirs should you expire with a balance. Cradle to grave healthcare that you control and spend as you choose. So what I am proposing is mandatory self insurance.

Who knows, if it worked well for health you could even use it for auto insurance. Imagine using your unused auto insurance money to go out and buy a new car when you needed one.

Oh, and the best part is, it isn't government controlled. Not only would it cover the 32 million without, it would cover the entire population of the country for all of eternity no matter what the population.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
CL1

" ..mandatory self insurance." ---I prefer what you propose over what the government has done. Wasn't this supposed to be the principle behind SSI? ..Look what happened. The best bet, imo, is to be in control of ourselves, and the funds should only be invested in secure as possible investments. Forcing everyone to purchase insurance and fining those that don't is just another money-making scheme to pull tax dollars and use however they see fit, imo.

  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT
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jfxgillis

Endentate Mammal:

Who cares? It's not about any one individual's personal situation. It's not even about any particular sub-group's situation. It's about an irrational and unsustainable system.

Because I live in MA which already has Romneycare, which is identical to Obamacare, my personal situation won't change at all of the instant. It will improve in the long run, though, because the one weakness in Romneycare is it doesn't have cost controls, because it can't, because one itty-bitty state can't impose the kinds of national controls in Obama's proposed package.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
PalmettoArmadillo

Jack,

Long time, no see,

Its more of a rhetorical question to get a feeling of why one would support or choose not to support the legislation that is about to pass into law. Based upon your personal situation a system is either sustainable or it is not. When it comes down to an election, we will vote for a candidate who supports our views. It would be difficult to support a view that was detrimental to ones personal situation.

The businesses in the health industry and that of the insurance industry will find ways under any system to make a profit. They will either make a profit or cease to exist. Nobody goes into business to be noble. Even doctors expect to be paid for the physical and financial expenses that they put into their businesses. As for insurance companies, it is foreseeable that if you cap what they charge for premiums, and force them to cover all takers, their only choice in order to remain profitable will be to reduce coverage. This will mean more out of pocket expenses from you and I. One way or another, someone is going to have to pay.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:46 AM EDT
jfxgillis

Armadillo:

Long time, no see,

Exactly how long? Four, five years maybe?

Anyhoo ...

It would be difficult to support a view that was detrimental to ones personal situation.

the current situation disproves that thesis. The House Commerce Committee put out a district-by-district report on who and how many people in each district would go from insured to uninsured because of this bill, either because of the expansion of Medicaid eligibility or because of the subsidy. Some of the biggest improvements are in the white working class and working poor districts in the South and Border states, the very districts in the heart of Tea Party country represented by moderate or conservative Dems. Bart Gordon's TN district, for example.

It's nucking futs. Progressives are going to make those people's lives better, and they're all worried about Obama's birth certificate.

Oh well. Making those lives better makes the country better, and making the country better is what political leaders are supposed to do, even if it means they lose the next election.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
PalmettoArmadillo

I can understand a person who does not want help from the government. It goes back to the "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" mentality that still resonates through the hearts of many.

Many of us are too proud to accept a helping hand even if it is the only way out. Americans are still a hard-working and proud people. It has made us a great nation. We are also a deeply caring and generous nation. Many counties around the globe have been the benefactors of our enormous hearts. We also come to the aid of our own in times of crisis. Many will line up for that charity and still other choose to go it alone.

My statement was if it is bad for me personally I have a hard time supporting it. Even if it benefits many. It is my primal instinct. To many it is a fault, to me it is a necessary fault. It is a fault that generosity keeps in check. Involuntary generosity cuts against that primal instinct. It forces a reversal of priorities. It forces compulsory generosity first and leaves me to provide for my own on what remains. As a matter of survival I want to limit compulsory generosity. You know, in the event I might happen to need the money for say my own personal medical expenses or something frivolous like that.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
jfxgillis

Endendate:

In other words, your rule always holds except for the exceptions.

Now let me explain this again. The system is irrational and unsustainable. We pay twice as much per capita as any other developed country in the world for equivalent or lesser outcomes and the status quo rate of inflation in health is higher than any other developed country, so the system is only going to get worse.

It has nothing to do with generosity, compulsory or otherwise. It has to do with a mis-allocation of goods and services. Making that allocation incrementally less irrational is good for you.

Now, if you happen to be one of the skimmers that injects irrationality into the system, yeah, this bill will hurt you. That's good, too, but not for you.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
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